Comments on: Dis or Dat (Mercurial and OpenID) http://labnotes.org/2007/08/27/dis-or-dat-mercurial-and-openid/ Sun, 15 Jan 2012 21:29:54 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Joel http://labnotes.org/2007/08/27/dis-or-dat-mercurial-and-openid/comment-page-1/#comment-138321 Joel Wed, 29 Aug 2007 18:47:16 +0000 http://blog.labnotes.org/2007/08/27/dis-or-dat-mercurial-and-openid/#comment-138321 I'm basically saying that either one is quite usable. I personally use Git, as I use it for the kernel anyway. I have friends that prefer Mercurial, and I use it for their projects. Your contributors have to get over the hump of a distributed SCM. Which distributed SCM is just syntax. I’m basically saying that either one is quite usable. I personally use Git, as I use it for the kernel anyway. I have friends that prefer Mercurial, and I use it for their projects.

Your contributors have to get over the hump of a distributed SCM. Which distributed SCM is just syntax.

]]> By: Assaf http://labnotes.org/2007/08/27/dis-or-dat-mercurial-and-openid/comment-page-1/#comment-138319 Assaf Wed, 29 Aug 2007 16:53:10 +0000 http://blog.labnotes.org/2007/08/27/dis-or-dat-mercurial-and-openid/#comment-138319 Question is, what would you use to get more people participating in the project. They're not all Linus :-) Question is, what would you use to get more people participating in the project. They’re not all Linus :-)

]]> By: Joel http://labnotes.org/2007/08/27/dis-or-dat-mercurial-and-openid/comment-page-1/#comment-138316 Joel Wed, 29 Aug 2007 08:55:49 +0000 http://blog.labnotes.org/2007/08/27/dis-or-dat-mercurial-and-openid/#comment-138316 In the beginning, source control was formless and void... When Git and Mercurial appeared, attacking pretty much the same problem, you had two user-visible approaches. Linus was after the neat design of the Git internals. The user experience suffered. You had to understand what he was doing to use the tool, but the core was feature complete pretty quick. Mercurial was the opposite. Matt tried to make the user interface dead-simple from day one. Today, there's still a lot of this around. People say Git is hard to use, or that Mercurial lacks this-or-that. Don't believe the hype. The two systems are pretty much equivalent. If you get the hang of using one, the other isn't hard to pick up at all. In the beginning, source control was formless and void…

When Git and Mercurial appeared, attacking pretty much the same problem, you had two user-visible approaches. Linus was after the neat design of the Git internals. The user experience suffered. You had to understand what he was doing to use the tool, but the core was feature complete pretty quick. Mercurial was the opposite. Matt tried to make the user interface dead-simple from day one.

Today, there’s still a lot of this around. People say Git is hard to use, or that Mercurial lacks this-or-that. Don’t believe the hype. The two systems are pretty much equivalent. If you get the hang of using one, the other isn’t hard to pick up at all.

]]> By: http://simonwillison.net/ http://labnotes.org/2007/08/27/dis-or-dat-mercurial-and-openid/comment-page-1/#comment-138309 http://simonwillison.net/ Tue, 28 Aug 2007 13:31:47 +0000 http://blog.labnotes.org/2007/08/27/dis-or-dat-mercurial-and-openid/#comment-138309 Backup identity URLs are part of XRDS, which is the discovery protocol in OpenID 2.0. I don't see the e-mail login token as something that belongs in the OpenID protocol (different sites may chose to implement it in different ways, which is why I explain it as an exact equivalent of the "I lost my password" problem) but it certainly needs to be promoted as OpenID best practise. Backup identity URLs are part of XRDS, which is the discovery protocol in OpenID 2.0. I don’t see the e-mail login token as something that belongs in the OpenID protocol (different sites may chose to implement it in different ways, which is why I explain it as an exact equivalent of the “I lost my password” problem) but it certainly needs to be promoted as OpenID best practise.

]]> By: Assaf http://labnotes.org/2007/08/27/dis-or-dat-mercurial-and-openid/comment-page-1/#comment-138308 Assaf Tue, 28 Aug 2007 07:17:44 +0000 http://blog.labnotes.org/2007/08/27/dis-or-dat-mercurial-and-openid/#comment-138308 @al3x, thanks for the tip. When I looked at Git it felt intimidating, Mercurial had the more familiar face because of the SVN likeness. So it's interesting to that it's easy to move between Git and SVN. @Simon, I really like the idea of a single-use token, but it has to be part of OpenID, not something that some sites choose to maybe implement in inconsistent ways. A backup identity URL is also something you can bake into the protocol, consumers can query for it when you register and enable all these identities for you. But none of these ideas, and none of the criticism on OpenID, is useful unless OpenID embraces them and starts dealing with all these problems. I think there's a lot of potential, it just needs to happen. @al3x, thanks for the tip. When I looked at Git it felt intimidating, Mercurial had the more familiar face because of the SVN likeness. So it’s interesting to that it’s easy to move between Git and SVN.

@Simon, I really like the idea of a single-use token, but it has to be part of OpenID, not something that some sites choose to maybe implement in inconsistent ways. A backup identity URL is also something you can bake into the protocol, consumers can query for it when you register and enable all these identities for you.

But none of these ideas, and none of the criticism on OpenID, is useful unless OpenID embraces them and starts dealing with all these problems. I think there’s a lot of potential, it just needs to happen.

]]> By: al3x http://labnotes.org/2007/08/27/dis-or-dat-mercurial-and-openid/comment-page-1/#comment-138307 al3x Tue, 28 Aug 2007 06:22:08 +0000 http://blog.labnotes.org/2007/08/27/dis-or-dat-mercurial-and-openid/#comment-138307 For the record, some of the cool kids are using git. It's like Mercurial, but faster and more obtuse. It also has a great bridge to Subversion. We have two developers on git and one on svn, and our deploys go out from svn. For the record, some of the cool kids are using git. It’s like Mercurial, but faster and more obtuse. It also has a great bridge to Subversion. We have two developers on git and one on svn, and our deploys go out from svn.

]]> By: http://simonwillison.net/ http://labnotes.org/2007/08/27/dis-or-dat-mercurial-and-openid/comment-page-1/#comment-138306 http://simonwillison.net/ Tue, 28 Aug 2007 04:39:17 +0000 http://blog.labnotes.org/2007/08/27/dis-or-dat-mercurial-and-openid/#comment-138306 That's the reason I believe all OpenID accepting applications should provide a "my OpenID isn't working" link that does the exact same thing as an "I've forgotten my password" link - e-mails you a one-time sign-in token. For added bonus points, applications should let you associate more than one OpenID with your account so if one of your providers goes down you can still log in using a different one. That’s the reason I believe all OpenID accepting applications should provide a “my OpenID isn’t working” link that does the exact same thing as an “I’ve forgotten my password” link – e-mails you a one-time sign-in token. For added bonus points, applications should let you associate more than one OpenID with your account so if one of your providers goes down you can still log in using a different one.

]]> By: Assaf http://labnotes.org/2007/08/27/dis-or-dat-mercurial-and-openid/comment-page-1/#comment-138305 Assaf Tue, 28 Aug 2007 03:28:39 +0000 http://blog.labnotes.org/2007/08/27/dis-or-dat-mercurial-and-openid/#comment-138305 My OpenID provider happens to be this blog, self-hosting, and although I'm pleased with the uptime (beats Blogger by a few 9's), it's still cranky at times. My OpenID provider happens to be this blog, self-hosting, and although I’m pleased with the uptime (beats Blogger by a few 9′s), it’s still cranky at times.

]]> By: http://technorati.com/people/technorati/ryansking http://labnotes.org/2007/08/27/dis-or-dat-mercurial-and-openid/comment-page-1/#comment-138304 http://technorati.com/people/technorati/ryansking Tue, 28 Aug 2007 03:06:37 +0000 http://blog.labnotes.org/2007/08/27/dis-or-dat-mercurial-and-openid/#comment-138304 About "distributed version control system[s]", maybe I should put up another post to explain that. I think I have a pretty good grasp on it, but I've been using mercurial for about a year, so that not fair. :) And about OpenID SPOFs, what I'm working on is getting several identity providers for myself and setting up a chain (on my hompage) of providers I can defer to. This way, for me, the only SPOF is my website, which, well it'd be my fault if it went down anyway. About “distributed version control system[s]“, maybe I should put up another post to explain that. I think I have a pretty good grasp on it, but I’ve been using mercurial for about a year, so that not fair. :)

And about OpenID SPOFs, what I’m working on is getting several identity providers for myself and setting up a chain (on my hompage) of providers I can defer to. This way, for me, the only SPOF is my website, which, well it’d be my fault if it went down anyway.

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